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Doctor Who and River have a relationship that runs in different directions. From River’s point of view she is meeting the Doctor as she gets older and he gets younger. And vice versa.

They have an agreement about no spoilers. Neither tells the other what they know about the future of the other one.

This presumably happens a lot to Timelords and those who associate with them.

Occasionally bits of future knowledge explicitly leak out (character A hands offers character B a drink they don’t drink, yet).  More subtly how people behave when they know something is likely to be different than how they behave when they don’t know that thing.  Therefore information about the Doctor’s future, held by River, could leak out based on how she behaves when they are together or the topics she avoids.

Thinking about Cryptonomicon and Enigma and the suspiciously successful and efficient RAF reconnaissance flights it should be possible for someone to work out something about their future from looking at the behaviour of people travelling in different directions or at different speeds in their timelines. Quite a bit if you put a lot of effort into it and had several different sources to work from.

Date: 2012-09-03 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] widgetfox.livejournal.com
I think you should maybe consider doing The Artist's Way.

Date: 2012-09-03 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] widgetfox.livejournal.com
Well, you're not completely lacking in available time, or these essays couldn't exist.

Date: 2012-09-03 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
This is true - but I find these things have a different shape than other types of writing to which I would apply myself if my writing time was measured in whole days and secure from interuption rather than measured in minutes and subject to disruption.

Date: 2012-09-03 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] widgetfox.livejournal.com
I guess it's individual. I've ended up making the decision that I want to do the most creative work that I can, even though I only have the minutes and disruption, because I'm much happier doing that than pretending to myself that I can create the whole days, or waiting until I make them. But that might be completely wrong for you.

Date: 2012-09-03 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
You may be right.

At the moment I find certain types of creative work easier to do in small bursts - so I do them.

Date: 2012-09-03 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] widgetfox.livejournal.com
That's got to be better than not doing any.

Date: 2012-09-03 02:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-09-03 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
When I say, you may be right, I mean you may be right, the choice you have made for yourself might be the better one for me, rather than the choice you have made for yourself might be the better one for you.

Date: 2012-09-03 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] widgetfox.livejournal.com
I kinda assumed you meant that.

Date: 2012-09-03 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
and I assumed that you would assume that but just in case you didn't assume the thing that I assumed you would assume I wanted to say it out loud.

Date: 2012-09-03 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] f4f3.livejournal.com
Keep meaning to ask if you've read "Hyperion", and the very effective different time-streams romance chapter?

Date: 2012-09-03 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
I have read Hyperion.

The part of it that sticks most strongly in my memory was the father with the daughter who was aging backwards.

I like Dan Simmons very much except for the fact that I really don’t like his endings. In fact, I think they are generally weak and poorly done but I’m willing to concede this might be a matter of taste rather than fact.

To the point where whenever I find myself tempted by a book of his I haven’t read I remind myself how angry I was when I finished The Rise of Endymion.

Date: 2012-09-03 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] f4f3.livejournal.com
I loved Hyperion because it was so damn clever (in much the same way that Cryptonomicon is clever) and I enjoyed his pastiches of different types of SF (and even of different authors). The sequels provided diminishing turns, and I stopped reading him. My loss, probably. The chapter I was thinking of in Hyperion was the one with the space traveller and his planet bound lover.

Date: 2012-09-03 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
Yes – reading wikipedia and reminding myself of the contents I did very much enjoy that one.

I like the Olympus books, especially the bits that follow the Trojan war on Mars but I found the ending a bit poor.

But I would struggle to recommend them, because, in some ways the fact that parts of the book are so good makes the weaker endings more frustrating.

Date: 2012-09-03 05:23 pm (UTC)
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It is pretty much a matter of fact, as I agree with you.

He, again, does great Sensawunda, awesome plot setups, and then clearly has no idea how to tie it up, so doesn't.

This works fine in Hyperion (which doesn't have an ending), less well in The Fall of Hyperion (which doesn't try to explain things too much), and increasingly badly in the two further sequels.

Date: 2012-09-03 05:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
See, also, BSG. Oodles of awesome setup, big flailing ending.

Date: 2012-09-04 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
One could almost buy a Dan Simmons novel and decide in advance not to bother reading the last 100 pages.

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