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danieldwilliam ([personal profile] danieldwilliam) wrote2013-02-13 03:00 pm

On The Future of Zero Economic Growth

I have recently read two monographs (1) that suggest that economic growth, particularly in the West, might be very hard to come by in the future.  That rather than a temporary set back the current economic stagnation is the start of a long, long period of very low economic growth. That 0% GDP growth is the new normal.

Both papers see a different cause for a long term forecast of zero economic growth. It would be easy to ignore both of the papers as a symptom of general depression and pessimism in the economic forecasting community. That the same people who brought you unlimited growth for ever are now chastened in to offering unlimited doom for ever and seeking some justification for it.  It would certainly be comfortable to ignore the papers.  I’m not so sure that that is wise.

Reason one for the end of growth comes from Robert J Gordon of the Cenre for Economic Policy Research.

http://www.cepr.org/pubs/PolicyInsights/PolicyInsight63.pdf

He suggests that the GDP growth rate of about 2% per annum we have become used to since the 1750’s is due to the long unwinding of three industrial revolutions, that of invention of coal powered steam driven engines, that of the invention of electricity and the internal combustion engine and the third one of the invention of information processing by machine. These industrial revolutions have overlapped with each and driven a large number of new capabilities for humans or reduced the need for human labour in many productive processes.

He talks about a number of one off improvements, improvements that are not available to happen again. We can’t re-invent being able to get most of the food we grow to our tables by increasing transport speed and quantity, refrigerating it and using telephones to tell us which market wants it. We can’t re-invent having homes that are a comfortable temperature all year round. We can’t re-invent the virtual elimination of communicable disease as a cause of premature death. We can re-invent the many labour saving devices deployed in the home that allowed woman to be released for non-domestic labour. We can’t re-invent the plane or the train or the automobile.

Gordon’s suggestion is that these industrial revolutions have run their course in the West. That the rest of the world will have caught up in a few decades. That there is no sign of a forth industrial revolution coming that both eliminate large amounts of human labour from productive processes or significantly improve the capability of humans to do things.

If you are going to nullify Gordon’s suggest I think you have to do a bit more than point at the iPhone.  You need to find a way to eliminate about 2% of the time people spend doing things every year for the next century.

The second reason, put forward by Dr Tim Morgan is that we have run into problems with our energy economy.  He restates the economic problem as not a problem of where money flows but where surplus energy flows.  He suggests that the history of economic growth is one of finding new ways to produce surplus energy and apply it to solving problems. Unless you have surplus energy in your economy then you have no growth.  The problem, as Dr Morgan sees it is that the Energy Return On Energy Invested for future energy projects is too low.

Energy Return On Energy Invested (EROEI) is the ratio of the energy that you get out of a particular project to the energy you have to  put in to to get that energy. A simple example; imagine you live in the country, a long drive from the nearest petrol station.  If you have to use half a tank of petrol to drive too and from the petrol station you only have half a tank of petrol left for running errands. (Your EROEI is 2:1.) If the petrol station is further away, so that you have to use a full tank of petrol to get there and back you don’t have any spare petrol. (your EROEI is 1:1).  When we first started pumping oil out of Saudia Arabia the EROEI was about 100:1. We got 99 barrels of oil for every barrel of oil we spent digging oil of the ground.  The figure today is closer to 20:1. For North Sea Oil the ratio for new reserves is closer to 5:1. Similar stories for coal and gas. As we dig up the easy to reach stuff it becomes more energy intensive to dig up the not so easy to reach stuff. (2)

This ratio lies at the heart of economic prosperty.  With an EROEI of 100:1 for every unit of energy we put in we have 99 units to do all the other stuff we want to do.  At 5:1 we only have 4 units of energy to play with.  As more energy has to go in to our energy gather system the cost of energy become greater. We tie up more capital in energy infrastructure and more of the energy we produce is used to run our energy systems.  We have less energy to do other stuff. We are poorer.

Dr Morgan suggests that at an average EROEI of 15:1 bad things happen to your economic growth. We are currently quite close to an average EROEI of 15:1. At worse figures a lot of accumulated growth unwinds as you stop having enough energy to transport food around and people start dying.

The combination of the two factors has a grim irony. All the innovation we are putting into renewable energy, if only moderately successful, just gets us back to the same average EROEI we have enjoyed for the last hundred years. We remain rich but we get no richer.

These factors affect different parts of the world differently.  If you live in China or India or Africa you probably still have large amounts of accumulated technology and associated capital to get hold of.  If you live in the US or Europe you are more likely to be at the technology frontier, a frontier that Gordon suggests might have stopped moving. The EROEI problem is more universally spread.

The message is clear but depressing. Unless we can come up with a fourth industrial revolution that is as potent as the invention of steam power and electricity and reverse the falling proportion of energy we have to spend on ourselves we are in for no economic growth, or even economic contraction.

So what can be done?

Well, we could get used to living with economic growth at the rate of mundane innovation and low levels of capital accumulation, 0-0.5% per annum.  That has some social implications that I’m not sure we are quite ready to address yet.

What’s out there for industrial revolution number 4? My brain storm throws up the following. None strike me as compelling.

Routine Innovation but BIG. The background rate of innovation outside of an industrial revolution is a drip, drip of marginal improvements.  For the last 200 years pretty much only the populations of Europe and North America have been playing because most of the rest of the world has been behind the technology frontier and not prosperous enough to divert significant labour to R&D.  What does routine innovation look like now that we have a population of 7 billion supporting it rather than 1 billion?

Big Data. With low cost computer processors are we able to do things with the huge volume of data we can gather and analysis about any activity?  We need to be reducing human effort significantly to get any real economic gains.

Quality.  We actually waste a huge amount of the effort we put in through poor quality. Defective goods, poor service, bad ideas. Goods that don’t last as long as they could.  What happens if we apply total quality management to everything we do?

Managerial revolution based on new understanding of neuroscience. Most organisations appear to be only tolerably run and the applied understanding of positive psychology appears poor. What happens if we work out how to get everyone to do a really good job and then let them get on with doing a really good job?

Peace dividend.  NATO targets for defence expenditure are 2% of GDP.  What happens if we stop shooting other people and invest this effort in building productive capacity?

Reverse the EROEI problem.  If we can improve the effectiveness of renewables we might be able to unlock a period of steadily falling energy costs instead of the long run of energy cost increases we’ve seen. We might get a similar, shorter term boost from energy efficiency programmes.

Service sector labour efficiency. Can we find a way to make the same labour savings with service jobs as we have with manufactoring jobs? (And what are we going to do with all the people?)

None of the these struck me as particularly robust. I wouldn’t want to bet the whole of Western civilisation on them.

(1) One is by Dr Tim Morgan of Tullett Prebon

http://www.tullettprebon.com/Documents/strategyinsights/TPSI_009_Perfect_Storm_009.pdf

The second is by Robert J Gordon of the Cenre for Economic Policy Research.

(2) figures for renewables are circa 20-15:1 for wind and 5:1 for solar PV.

[identity profile] widgetfox.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I've actually seen some of this stuff out there. There are some reasonable arguments against Gordon (although I wouldn't now be able to find them) but on balance I'm inclined to agree with you here.

I think you need to take climate change into account in your projections more than you are doing.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah – of the two I think Gordon’s position is the weaker. I specifically wanted to think about it and process it by essaying on it before I went looking for the refutation because I don’t want to allow myself to get sucked into to a refutation by handwavium.

There’s no particular reason why he should be right. I think his point that we’ve enjoyed a number of one way transformations that we can’t have a gain is sound. So that implies that the next industrial revolution might be harder or a bit shorter or a bit less profound but it doesn’t prove that it isn’t going to happen. There seems to me to be plenty of innovation out there and it’s difficult to pick which ones are going to be transformative. It’s kind of obvious that a steam powered loom is going to be huge and that if you can have a steam powered loom you can have steam powered other things. The second order effects of this (that e.g. we can afford to provide clean water, water engineers and epidemiologists to the whole population are less obvious. Nor, I think, is it obvious that the combination of the washing machine, hot running water and gas central heating would increase the available workforce by about a third.

So, I think it is difficult to say for certain that the current crop of innovation doesn’t contain within it some transformative elements and that, woe is me, growth is forever ended.

The Austrian in me might also suggest that this is the period when we see the start of IR4 as the current recession drives down factor prices and allows innovation the space to start and grow.

The collection of technologies that I would go after if I were Director of the World are the ones that let us live without touching the land. So cities that meet their own energy requirements from renewables and energy from food waste, food grown in vats, building materials that are entirely recyclable. This might not boost our standard of living much in the short term but I think it does helpful things to our risk premium and discount rates. It might also expand the carrying capacity of the planet.

I think Morgan is on sounder ground. He’s making less dramatic claims. An overly indebted society is going to struggle to grow its economy and it appears to be a fact that EROEI is deteriorating. I think his inference that this causes some problems that make longer run growth prospects poorer is sound and I don’t think he’s claiming that it is not fixable, merely that we need to sort it out. A bit of materials science that allows us to double the height of a wind turbine and / or taking solar PV to its theoretical maxium efficiency, adding some thermo-electric backing and extending the useful life by a third and it’s job done. And Morgan isn’t saying this can’t happen, just that it hasn’t happened yet.

I did think about climate change. Partly I left it out because I wanted to think about the two new bits of bad news I’d come across in isolation. Partly because the effect of climate change on the economy is difficult to predict. I think it’s likely to be adverse on average and that average is likely to be pretty well spread around but there may well be upsides that make the overall bad news difficult to measure in advance. Partly I left it out because, you know, it’s too depressing.

If you recall any of the anti-Gordon stuff I’d be fascinated.

[identity profile] widgetfox.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I've done an LJ feed - you can get it from my user page.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks - I've already set the blog up on my google reader subscriptions.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2013-02-13 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, thanks, that was good.

(And I'm in agreement.)

[identity profile] rhythmaning.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. I think you're even more pessimistic about the economy than I am...
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2013-02-13 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Automation is the answer.

It's still getting more efficient, probably by at least 2% per year.

And, of course, we don't _need_ to keep improving the lot of the average person in the First World by a dramatic amount. Bringing the rest of the world up to our standards without destroying it in the process would still be a dramatic improvement, and mean that we all live well above the level enjoyed by royalty in the 1930s.

Of course, I _do_ think that there are plenty of breakthroughs still to come. Moore's Law isn't over, the first brain/computer interfaces already exist, and if we recognise humanity in 50 years I'll eat my artificially intelligent hat.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I, for one, welcome our new behatted over lords.

I’d also welcome the West taking quite a lot of any gains from automation as time off. Less planet destroying and much more to my personal tastes.

Like you, I tend to be optimistic about the future of technology but I’m deliberately trying not to be here so that I avoid just dimissing these arguments out of unfounded optimism.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2013-02-13 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50138922n is fascinating. The cost of a robot to do manufacturing is reaching the same as the cost of Chinese labour. Which means that it's worth onshoring that work again.

Of course, not all work is automatable so easily. But more and more will be.

[identity profile] f4f3.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Fracking for cheap energy (and fusion - tomorrow's power source, and it always will be).
Industrial Revolution the next - nanotech, which will change, well, everything. In particular construction and medicine.
Quantum computing. Dirt cheap, ultra fast processing. Storage in water.
Stem cells from breast milk. I know. How awesome is that?

I know this sounds a little pollyanna-ish, but when ever we forecast stagnation, the world has a way of reminding us that it doesn't work like that.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2013-02-13 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm looking forward to quantum computing producing tangible results.

Nanotech is already producing some results. It's overhyped at the moment, but it's going to be horribly important soon.

Fusion will be 30 years out until suddenly it isn't - but I wouldn't base a future society on it until it's in production.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2013-02-14 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
I’m wondering what the big wins from these are.

How do these technologies transform the way we live and work?

(Fusion is obvious - if it's cheap then everyone gets cheap energy.)
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2013-02-14 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Nsnotech makes tiny manufacturing more efficient, which improves the efficiency of photovoltaics, medicines, computers, etc.

Quantum computing allows for the solving of problems that would currently take longer than is feasible with current computer technology.

Stem cells have great biotech promise. Between that and nanotech medicine is being revolutionised from the bottom up.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2013-02-14 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, so if we get a nanotech manufacturing process that makes solar PV more efficient and boosts their EROEI and lowers their per kilowatthour cost than that is potentially transformative just on it’s own. A 40% efficient PV cell which costs a quarter of the current price to build and it’s job done for energy prices, energy security and global warming.

I guess if you told me that nanotech was going to make everything we build an average of 1% more efficient to make or operate every year for the next 50 years that would be a massive win.

I’m a bit less certain about stem cell stuff. So, I see that it has great potential to repair damage. So, a relatively small number of young and middle aged people get serious problems fixed. Which is fabulous for them and good for me (because I could be one of them and I’m certainly paying taxes to support them or their medical care so having them fixed and back in the labour market paying taxes is a win). I also see that it helps a larger number of elderly people avoid chronic conditions. So maybe 25% more of the population above 70 enjoy an extra ten years of healthy living. Again, great for them and good for me.

I’m just not sure that’s on the same par as vaccination or clean water or antibiotics.

I don’t know enough about quantum computing to know if the stuff it might be able to do has widespread applications that are economically valuable
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2013-02-15 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, just bumped into this:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/02/rethinking-solar-to-get-it-cheaper-than.html

(If you don't already follow Next Big Future then you should.)

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2013-02-15 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
That is interesting. Thanks.

I do follow NBF. I tried to punt a link to an article on small scale fusion reactors that were supposed to be in commercial deployment by 2023 but LJ was playing up.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/02/new-google-solve-for-x-lockheed.html

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2013-02-13 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I think there are some genuine questions about the EROEI for fracking that Morgan touches on.