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danieldwilliam ([personal profile] danieldwilliam) wrote2011-01-10 11:10 am

Why I Like AV


I should preface my remarks by saying that I am a local campaigner for the Yes campaign.

I like the Alternative Vote system. I would probably prefer the Single Transferable Vote or Alternative Vote with Additional Member top up (with open lists rather than closed) but what I’m being offered is AV or First Past the Post.

I both observe and feel the tribalism. I used to a very tribal member of the Labour Party and, after drifting towards the Liberal Democrats, I now feel much more tribally Labour than I have done in 5 years. That’s how I feel. It’s different from how I think, or I think it is.

One of the interesting things for me about working on the AV campaign is meeting lots of different people from different political persuasions. I think I am a more rounded citizen and politician because of it.

My current image of British politics is an arch. Two large, heavy buttresses pushing against each other with great power and energy in order to keep the status quo static. You pick one side or the other and heave away for the rest of your life and you don’t speak to, let alone trust, anyone not on your side. Whilst some changes have happened and the voting share of the Labour and Conservative Parties has fallen over the last 50 years I think that’s how many people in parties feel. They create structures and systems that suit the way they feel and it’s difficult to change the way people think and feel about how they do the business of politics.

Everything becomes very tightly structured around the Party. Your status within the Party is judged on your loyalty to the Party, not to the voters, even voters who actually voted for you personally.

As a thought experiment on tribalism, imagine if you were a very politically aware and active citizen sitting somewhere between the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and explicitly said to each candidate “I’ll campaign for you if you convince me that you are the best candidate and the one most aligned with my own views but my support next time round will be contingent on your voting and activism record. I will campaign for your opponent if you fail my interview ”. Imagine how that conversation would go.

So I like AV because it begins to do something about the tribalism of politics by increasing voter power.

I think it increases voter power by

·         Creating more marginal seats

·         Reduces the risks of vote splitting

·         Increases personal accountability

·         Allows implicit primaries or splinter candidates

·         Reducing the number of wasted votes (ie votes not cast for the eventual winner or runner up)

I also think AV gives smaller parties more influence. They may not gain any more seats but their voters will have to be courted for 2nd and 3rd preferences.

AV also creates the potential for larger parties to split. I think the Conservative party are particularly susceptible to this, given the breadth of their views and the existence of UKIP. I think the model of the Liberal / Country / National alliance in Australia is one to look at.

Generally I see AV as lowering the barriers to entry for parties and the barriers to shifting your support as a voter. If a new party enters an election under First Past the Post in order to poll any significant vote is must firstly persuade me to vote for it and then persuade me that everyone else will vote for it too. That is a hard hill to climb.

Anything that creates more competition tends to move power from suppliers (parties) to consumers (voters).

What I would hope from AV is that

·         Whips have reduced power as MP’s keep one eye on both voters and rogue challenges from their own constituency party

·         More independent or independently minded MP’s

·         More accurate polling for smaller parties leading to a better appreciation of voters’ desires

·         More influence for smaller parties (arguably more in line with their national polling)

Those MP’s and party managers who are able to enter into a dialogue with other parties and non-aligned activists best will begin to prosper and the culture of our political parties and political debate will begin to change.

I think it will take several election cycles under the new system for voters, candidates and party managers to get used to the new system and we may get some strange occurrences for a while.


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[personal profile] fearmeforiampink 2011-01-12 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
Whereas I (also here via [livejournal.com profile] andrewducker) am dreading my interview for a phone bank manager job for the Yes campaign in London. To be fair, I'm spending half the hours I'd be paid to do it (20/40) volunteering in the Islington phonebank already. I'm hopeful as well as dreading, it just feels a bit like jumping in the deep end (and I'm not sure if, based on our numbers in Islington, we've got enough volunteers for more phone banks yet.)

(sorry for the icon, couldn't resist)

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
Good luck with the interview.

The appointment of phone bank managers makes me feel confident about the campaign’s continuing organisation. It feels much more solid than it did than when I first got involved last summer.

I like the icon.
fearmeforiampink: (Yes really)

[personal profile] fearmeforiampink 2011-01-12 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Aye. I think part of it comes from all the different people/groups working together – especially at the level of people running it, I think people have mostly come in via other groups that have joined up with Yes to Fairer Votes.

Whilst that means we got all that useful experience and passion, it did make things feel a bit disjointed at first – I properly got involved in a meeting where they created various London local groups, but even at that meeting, there were two people doing speeches beforehand, and it was quite clear that they were from two different organisations.

That's definitely reduced (though perhaps not entirely disappeared), the Yes campaign has its own feel now, I'd say.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 12:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, the early days were very disjointed and I think in Edinburgh we lost a few people because we were and appeared disorganised.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
Am I right in thinking that the phone banks are still targeted at recruiting volunteers?
fearmeforiampink: (MI5 tea spilt)

[personal profile] fearmeforiampink 2011-01-12 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
In Islington we're now primarily onto the canvassing calls, calling people we're not expecting to volunteer, to find out which way they intend to vote, and to push them towards Yes.

As it happens, due to some technical issues, when I was last in (yesterday), we were going through the potential volunteer list a second time to try and get more people involved, rather than the canvassing list. But overall, it's canvassing we're doing now.

I will admit that one thing I'm slightly unsure about is whether we yet have the numbers to need/use a bunch more phonebanks, as in Islington, we've not got above 2-3 volunteers in at once, and we have long stretches with just whoever's managing being in. Then again, arguably in a new location there will be people who live near it and thus can attend it regularly.

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
We're a little behind the phone bank curve here in Edinburgh.

I hope things will pick up as the referendum date approaches and people become more aware of it and more excited.